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印度能超越中國嗎？看看三鍋們怎麼說
post by txtlover / 2010-9-27 23:16 Monday / 英語 /

原帖地址http://business.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/sep/01/slide-show-1-can-india-ever-beat-china-heres-what-the-aam-aadmi-says.htm

Can India ever beat China? Here's what the aam aadmi says

In a recent interview with rediff.com, Professor Arvind Panagariya had said that economic power would shift from the Western nations to Asia and China, and India would emerge as a major economic power.Panagariya is a professor of Economics and Jagdish Bhagwati Professor of Indian Political Economy at the Columbia University in New York."In 15 years . . .we will more or less become what China is today and that will make us the fourth largest or maybe even third economy in the world," he had said.
Nobel Laureate Amartya Sen wrote in Asia Society: ". . . China is quite a big figure in Indian thinking and has always been so. In 7th century when Xuanzang left India and went back to China after having spent about a decade in India, he asked rather implausibly the question, 'Is there anyone in India who does not admire China fully?' This is the nice 7th century question. It is a serious question and of course it is coming in many different forms."
In the same article, Sen pointed out that "China's success in economic growth and the number of poorer people going down have been radically high. But let me mention here a slight contrast. The Chinese -- if the world has many fewer poorer people today in terms of lowness of income, and that is indeed the case, the biggest contribution of that has come from China. The second biggest is India but quite a big distance behind China."
Do you believe in this argument? Does India have what it takes to surpass China in terms of economic growth and prosperity, or at least catch up with the Dragon over the next few decades?
We asked common people to speak on the issue and came across some interesting viewpoints.

在最近的一次采訪中，阿爾文德·帕納加里亞教授（印度裔美國人，在哥倫比亞大學經濟系任教授，前亞洲發展銀行首席經濟學家——by維基百科，譯者註）說：“世界經濟重心將從西方世界轉移到亞洲和中國，印度也將作為一個主要經濟力量而崛起。在15年之內，我們將取得中國現在的地位，並成為世界第4甚至第3大經濟體?！?/font>
諾貝爾經濟學獎獲得者阿瑪蒂亞·森（印度人，但他一生多數時間卻在英美兩國。只是由於他未放棄印度國藉而非為印度長期工作才成為首位諾貝爾獎印裔得主?！g者註）說過：“……中國一直以來都是印度人想達到的榜樣，7世紀時，唐玄奘在印度待了十年後回到中國，他難以置信的問道：‘在印度就沒有人不對中國感到五體投地嗎？’在7世紀，這是個很好的發問。這個問題值得我們認真對待，同時它也涉及到方方面面?！彼瑫r指出：“中國在經濟增長和減少貧困人口這兩方面都相當迅速。但與此同時，在減少貧困人口這方面，中國的確做出最大的貢獻。印度則是第二名，並且我們遠遠落在中國之後?！?/font>
你相信這些言論嗎？印度有能力變得比中國更加繁榮富有嗎？或者至少在未來的十來年內取得和中國一樣的地位？
誠邀各位來聊聊看法，期待你們的智慧火花。

（下面是評論，從最新的開始，粗體是標題，深藍色是譯者在嘮叨。他們好像挺喜歡加標題）


by rajesh nair (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 05:37 PM  | Hide replies

yes India can... if population is the only criterion!!
我們能…如果人口是唯一的判斷標準的話！！


by Dhruba Sarma (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 10:41 AM  | Hide replies

Indians comparing themselves with China all the time , its pathetic . Chinese are hard working people with a can do spirit . They are way ahead of India in the fields , factories , sports, and the battlefield.They walk with pride and respect in international streets . On the other hand Indians peddle ahimsa, some spiritual mumbo-jumbo and little else. It's pathetic.
印度人老愛和中國人比，真是杯具。中國人很勤奮，又有開拓精神。他們不管是農業、工業、體育還是打仗都比印度強。他們在國際上既驕傲也受尊敬。而印度呢，兜售不殺生主義，什麼神秘的精神力量和別的零碎。杯具。
    
by Rockey Fox (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 04:15 PM
Dear Friend,USSR was once a super power competiting & feared by US,,, then there came democracy (Boris Yelsin with west support)in USSR and its doom,,,
Thanks to Putin,,, They are on track now,,,
We got Democracy & so called Secular even before we could provide two normal meals to our people,,,It became our biggest hurdle in development,, be it Industralisation,,Land holding patterns, labour laws, SEZ etc,
Let us wait and see how stable China will be if Democracy & Secularism are enforced in that country,,,It
will crumble faster than USSR,
By rule of gun wonders can be achieved anywhere even in India,,
親愛滴朋友，
蘇聯曾是與美國對抗乃至讓其懼怕的超級大國，，，可是民煮（受西方支持的葉利欽）一來蘇聯就垮了，，，
還是多謝普京，他們現在終於走上正軌，，，  （   呃，這位印度童鞋，假如譯者沒記錯，普京是葉利欽欽點的吧）
  我們有民煮和所謂的世俗主義，就算我們還不能保證每個人都能有一日兩餐，，，這是我們發展道路上的最大阻礙，，工業化，土地所有制，勞工法，經濟特區等等，
就等著瞧吧，看看中國在民煮和世俗主義無可避免的時候，，，它會垮得比蘇聯更快，
  槍桿子里出政權 （但願沒理解錯   ）   ，哪里都一樣，包括印度，，
   
by Dhruba Sarma (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 10:42 AM
And I forgot . Indians also get thrashed i international cities without hitting back .
對了，在國際化的都市里，印度人飽受摧殘而毫無還手之力。


Taking India Ahead
為印度之崛起

by Bob Shivaram (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 10:04 AM  | Hide replies
China has a planned, sustained and agressive growth model and herein lies the difference. The political scenario in India is so divided in promoting oneself at any cost and paying lip service to national interest is the bane of the Indian society at large. Democracy is fine , but coalition politics will always hold us back. Today India is 50 years behind China in development. Infrastructure is the key. At the current rate the gap will only widen.Regional interests cannot outweigh national prioirities.Correct this anomaly and we will have half the job done. Look at the Government's inability to resolve land aquisition problems for starters.In addition we have two major issues threathening us . The first being corruption and the second the loss of over 20 % of the land to naxalites where it is there writ that operates.Now we have all kinds of troublesd on our borders - the most alarming being the Chinese themselves.Simply put the answer lies in getting national and regional parties to agree on a common agenda and policy guideline for tackling the issues that are a major cause of concern and an impediment to our progress.
中國有一個計劃好的、可持續的並且積極進取的模式，這就是區別。印度的政策是四分五裂的，政客不計代價的推銷自己、開空頭支票，這禍害了整個印度社會。民煮固然好，但是一盤散沙的政策會永遠阻礙我們。如今印度落後中國50年?；A設施是關鍵，而目前的狀況只會拉大差距。地區利益不能高於國家利益。糾正這個錯誤我們就已經事半功倍了。看看印度政府在處理土地兼並問題上一開始就表現得多麼無能。此外我們還面臨兩個嚴重威脅；一是腐敗，二是納爾遜分子（亦稱印度共產黨——譯者）。後者可能奪走超過全國五分之一的土地。今天我們的邊境上有各種各樣的麻煩，其中最讓人擔心的就來自中國。對於這個問題，我們只要在國家與地區之間達成一致，再制訂一個抓住問題的政策方針就好了。

Overdose of Democracy
過份民煮
by digant pathak (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 09:33 AM  | Hide replies
It would be difficult to reach the level of China as in India we have overdose of democracy which provides huge scope for anti development protest, destruction of public property in the name of agitations.
如果我們繼續這麼過份民煮下去，要趕上中國，很難。這樣的民煮縱容了反對發展的抗議，還有對毀壞公共財產的煽動。

No need of comparision
不需要比較
by neearj Thapliya (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 10:18 PM  | Hide replies
Corruption is the root cause of the faliure of every measure taken in the improvement of the ares like population, pollution, education, infrastructure, law...... if that is done everything is done,,,comparision will not help,,,,and if we need to copmare then there are any number of countries from the west to be compare,,time for improvement,,,attitude and intergrity towards the nations should be change of the whole society,,,,we are still trapped in hindus,,muslims,,,,etc....
腐敗是萬惡之源，不論從什麼角度來說，人口、汙染、教育、基礎設施、法律……此事畢，諸事畢，，，比較無濟於事，，，，我們要比就和西方國家比，，發展的長短，，，國家的態度和完整性會改變整個社會，，，，我們依然糾結於印度教，，穆斯林教，，，，等等……



The comparison is inevitable.....
比較是不可避免的……
by Aneet Aggarwal (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 03:15 PM  | Hide replies
I think that its very true that india first should correct itself in key areas like corruption,taxation,education,infrastructure,leadership and governance. chinese have done and so do we can. I think that india should now take some bold economic decisions and show some risk taking ability like china which will help india grow enormously. india with this pace can never match china. we should try to explore our own capabilities and strenghts and work on it a better, we need not copy china in every aconomic decision. India's democracy, strong media, entrprenuership and brands are well known in the world. Mass production will reduce cost and thus increase exports. india should work to its full potential
我認為印度真正要做的是改正關鍵的地方，比如腐敗、稅收、教育、基礎設施、領導階層和管理能力。中國人做到了，我們也能做到。我認為印度現在應該向中國一樣做些大膽的經濟決策，展示出承擔風險的能力，這樣才能有助於印度的長足進步。以印度如今的腳步是永遠無法趕上中國的。我們應該盡力發掘出我們自己的能力和長處，發揚光大，我們不需要模仿中國的每一個經濟策略。印度有民煮、強勢的媒體、企業家以及揚名世界的品牌。大量生產會減低成本並促進出口。印度該開足馬力了。


China's growth isn't likely to slowdown
中國的增長不會放緩
by XianYe（看似拼音，難道是同胞？） (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 12:12 PM  | Hide replies
till each and every major province in the country is turned in to a Germany, a France, a Britain, a Spain etc. China has got a long long way to go, even in the well-known field of infrastrcture building with such projects as high-speed rails(13,000km by 2012), expressways(11,000km each year till 2013), nuclear power plants(dozens under construction and more planned or proposed), wind and solar farms(all the rage), etc. China is determined to have all major provinces achieve infrastructure densities as high as those in european states. China is also urbanizing in a huge way. The latest plan is to turn "towns" into "cities". So far, each county has only one "city" where the county seat is located. Soon each
county will have several "cities", meaning, amongst other things, a boom in infrastrcture and housing investments in rural areas. China won't stop till its rural population shrinks (from the current 50%) to 5% of the total. Those forecasting, or rather wishing, a slowing, let alone collapsing, China will be sourly disappointed.
中國想要把每個主要的省份變成德國、法國、英國、西班牙……還有很長的路要走。就算是基礎設施中的著名項目：高鐵（2012年建成13,000公里），高速公路（每年建成11,000公里，直至2013年），核電站（數十個在建中，更多的在規劃中及提議中），風能及太陽能發電廠（現在流行這個），等等。中國決心要把所有主要省份的基礎設施密度建得和歐洲國家一樣。與此同時，中國也在急劇的城市化中。最新的規劃是將“縣”變為“城”。迄今為止，每個縣只有在縣政府所在地才算是“城”。很快每個縣會有幾個“城”，這意味著，多管齊下、齊頭並進，偏遠地區的基礎設施和房地產開發會有一次急速發展。直至農村人口占總人口從如今的50%降至5%。那些預測，或者說盼望中國會減緩發展甚至崩潰的人，會紅著眼睛失望的。

Re: China's growth isn't likely to slowdown
    回複：中國的增長不會放緩
by Rockey Fox (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 04:19 PM
Dear Friend,
USSR was once a super power competiting & feared by US,,, then there came democracy (Boris Yelsin with west support)in USSR and its doom,,,
Thanks to Putin,,, They are on track now,,,
We got Democracy & so called Secular even before we could provide two normal meals to our people,,,It became our biggest hurdle in development,, be it Industralisation,,Land holding patterns, labour laws, SEZ etc,
Let us wait and see how stable China will be if Democracy & Secularism are enforced in that country,,,It will crumble faster than USSR,
By rule of gun wonders can be achieved anywhere even in India,,
親愛滴朋友，  （   那位又來了，一模一樣的回複）
蘇聯曾是與美國對抗乃至讓其懼怕的超級大國，，，可是民煮（受西方支持的葉利欽）一來蘇聯就垮了，，，
還是多謝普京，他們現在終於走上正軌，，，我們有民煮和所謂的世俗主義，就算我們還不能保證每個人都能有一日兩餐，，，這是我們發展道路上的最大阻礙，，工業化，土地所有制，勞工法，經濟特區等等，
我們就等著瞧，看看中國在民煮和世俗主義無可避免的時候，，，它會垮得比蘇聯更快，
槍桿子里出政權，哪里都一樣，包括印度，，


The latest news has it that
最新的消息是
by XianYe（比較確定是中國人啦~你好你好~） (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 11:55 AM  | Hide replies
China plans to have 260,000km rail tracks by 2020. What's India plan?
中國計劃在2020年建成260,000公里鐵路。印度的計劃呢？


AMerica will alway remain the superpower .. because
美國會繼續保持超級大國地位…因為
by raj (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 10:56 AM  | Hide replies
the world will finance USA lifestyle. That is just the way it is and that is just the way it will be for long time to come. Amercians will enjoy low inflation, big homes , big life, strong currency, strong influence and overall a good lifestyle with excellent purchasing power and best quality standards product.
Good for them, since they helped us to expand our economy by sacrificing their jobs for us..
世界會繼續為美國買單，過去如此，以後很長一段時間也會如此。
美國人會繼續享有低通脹、大房子、長壽（猜的，原文為big life ——譯者），強勢的貨幣，巨大的影響力，以及基於強大購買力和高質量產品的生活方式。
多謝他們犧牲了就業率，為了讓我們增長經濟……


Can India ever beat China?
印度能超越中國嗎？
by vinay gupta (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 08:46 AM  | Hide replies
Is the question worthy ? Both countries have their strengths and their weaknesses, and both claim greatness of their civilisations.But what matters is not the past, but the reality of this day and age. With huge problems that are in ways unique to India, and with no sincerity by those who matter, in addressing these, we in India should worry less about competing with China, and focus more on improving our country. As someone said statistics is like a bikini, revealing all but the vitals. Similarly, economists talk of figures, which do not paint the real picture, and most intellectuals are far removed from commonsense and reality. India, dare I say, with its growing burden of problems, internal and external, and you can keep counting; first needs to put its house in order and then look outwards and to China. This is precisely what China did, with clarity, determination and ruthlessness. India is however different from China, and should build and rise on its own strengths, rather than obsess itself with imitating and competing with China or other nations for that matter.
Is China India's friend ?
這個問題有價值嗎？兩個國家都各有優劣，並且都聲稱有偉大的文明成就。但最重要的不是過去，而是如今的現實。印度面臨的種種問題是獨一無二的（哈哈，看來印度也很有“特色   ”）   ，而當權者卻毫無解決問題的誠意。認清這一點，我們印度就該少去擔心怎麼和中國比較，而是多專註於如何使我們的國家進步。有人形容統計學就像比基尼一樣，掩蓋了最重要的部分。
與之類似，經濟學家滿口數據，卻不能反映真實，大多數學者，則遠離了常識和現實。印度，我敢說，就算內部外部的問題不斷增加，依然能保持增長。第一要務就是有目的地開發房地產，看看外國，看看中國。這就是中國的做法，清楚明確、下定決心、毫不留情。印度畢竟與中國不一樣，應該建立發揚自己的長處，而不是在模仿和攀比中迷失自我，不論是和中國還是別的國家。
中國是印度的朋友嗎？


Not in 40 years
40年之內趕不上
by Vinod Kumar (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 08:20 AM  | Hide replies
people in this generation vote only for a \"muslim\",\"brahmin\", \"yadav\" etc.
India will prosper only when we vote for candidates based on integrity
這一代的人只會投票給穆斯林，婆羅門，雅達夫（後兩者皆為種姓——譯者註）等等。
只有等到我們把票投給正直廉潔的人的時候，印度才能繁榮。


Will we surpass China ?
我們能趕超中國嗎？
by Ramanand Rao (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 06:59 AM  | Hide replies
Eradicate corruption among our political leaders and top bureacrats and allow the funds and money they swallow for betterment of infrastructure in villages and rural areas.
And ...
WE WILL CATCH UP WITH CHINA faster than you can imagine.
消滅政客的腐敗和上層人士的官僚作風，把他們侵吞的錢用來改善農村和偏遠地區的基礎設施。
然後……
我們趕上中國的速度將快過你的想象。


Chinese lovers

中國的支持者
by dev singh (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 05:32 AM  | Hide replies
Lot of chinese lovers live in waste bengal.
西沒救了邦（西孟加拉邦）有很多中國的支持者。（原文以waste Bengal 來辱罵west Bengal，所以我就小小發揮了一下~“中國的支持者”大概指在西孟加拉長期執政的印度共產黨，嚴重感謝cs2213  ，， ）  


China Economy is $5 trillion and nt $7.8 trillion.
中國的經濟規模只有5萬億而不是7.8萬億
by Sunny Kapoor (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 05:27 AM  | Hide replies
China Economy is $5 trillion and nt $7.8 trillion gets ur facts right if u calculaye PPP than they r $8 trillion and we r $4 trillion.
If u calculate GDP than we r $1.31 trillion and they r $5 trillion.
Rediff i use 2 like u nt anymore.
中國的經濟規模只有5萬億而不是7.8萬億，你需要了解事實，如果你計入PPP（購買力平價），他們是8萬億，我們是4萬億。
如果你算GDP，那我們是1.31萬億，他們是5萬億。
Rediff （即采訪文章開頭那位教授的網站   ）   ，我用了第二種，跟你們不一樣


Can India ever beat China
印度能超越中國嗎
by chanchal dutta (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 05:15 AM  | Hide replies
India has already defeated China in evry respect of Corruption,swindling of money and trashing black money in Swiss Banks. Economist bull shit we don't believe.USA's condition has already indicated the readings of so called great economist.They read on the line of Bania culture and their comments do not valid in the societies condition.
印度已經在每個方面打敗中國了，腐敗、詐騙錢財、往瑞士銀行里藏黑錢。我們不相信經濟學家的廢話。美國的情況已經證明了那些所謂的大經濟學家的信條。他們信的是商業文化，而在社會環境里他們的評論毫無價值。


India Karma Bhumi
印度的菩薩果位
by Jignesh Shah (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 12:58 AM  | Hide replies
India is karma bhumi and not bhogya bhumi
people come for salvation and not enjoyment
economic prosperity is a myth
real earning is soul realisation
U Realise soul u can turn sand into gold
u can make chips out of sand and program it to work for u
but if u dont know, how much it gives u peace in fact it doubles anxity and tension
real peace and earning is in knowing life and not working with dead things
china converts living things into garbage a living cemetry
only self realisation can bring true prosperity
印度是菩薩果位而不是bhogya（或為  bhagya ）   果位
人生來是為救贖而非享樂
經濟繁榮是虛幻的
真正的學習是靈魂的實現
當你實現了靈魂，你能點石成金、撒豆成兵
但是如果你不知道這能帶給你多少安寧，你會承擔兩倍的緊張和焦慮
真正的安寧和學習在於了解生活而非勞作於死物
中國的信徒活在無用之物之間，一座活的墳墓
只有自我的實現才能帶來真正的財富

Re: India Karma Bhumi
回複：印度的菩薩果位
by Vinod Chebbi (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 06:55 AM
Karma Bhumi is a myth. If at all you believe in it, undertake the karma of counteracting the Chinese invasion, geographically and financially, or else we will have to face the same fate as the Tibetans!
因緣果位神馬的只是神話。如果你們全都相信，承擔因果能抵消中國人從地理、經濟上的入侵，那我們將會面臨和西藏人一樣的命運！



India can surpass China
印度能趕超中國
by IndianEmpire (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 11:26 PM  | Hide replies
If we can work hard and think more wise yes we can surpass china in another 20 years. But this is very difficult task and can be achieve if we are truely sincere. India was the richest country in the world 1000 years ago and surely we can have our prosperity back with quality education and high level of nationalism
如果你能夠工作更努力一些，思考更明智一些，那麼我們能在20年以內趕超中國。這是個艱巨的任務，我們全力以赴就能做到。印度在1000年以前是世界上最富有的國家，高質量的教育和高水平的民族主義就能為我們重獲財富。


Wanted- a real govt
需要一個真正的政府
by Bodh Ramdeo (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 11:15 PM  | Hide replies
The same ole crap!
When this country can dump the usual weak-kneed, buttlicking, appeasement-centric cretins that presently passes for govt, and install one which has a grand vision, and the balls to make the bold decisions and take bold actions which are necessary for the socio-economic development of the land, then there is perhaps some hope.
But as long as this appeasement-centric Kaangress is in power, this poverty-stricken land of filth and squalor is forever doomed to remain a backward, underdeveloped land of destitution and deprivation.
還是一樣的廢話！
只有等到我們的政府不再由現在這班彎腰屈膝、舔人屁眼、姑息養奸、得了白癡病的人來冒充，而是由有遠見、有魄力、敢作敢當的人來取而代之，發展這片土地上的社會和經濟，那或許還有點希望。
不過只要這個姑息養奸的鍋大黨（國大黨，再次感謝cs2213）繼續當權，這片貧困、汙穢、悲慘的土地就註定遭受落後的命運，一個貧窮而備受剝削的不發達的國家。


india can.....
印度能夠……
by shiji sajith (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 04:37 PM  | Hide replies
INDIA CAN PROGRESS LIKE CHINA OR ANY DEVELOPED NATION ONLY IF WE COULD CONTROL OUR POPULATION GROWTH OTHERWISE WE WILL BE CREATING SOME RICH PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD OR INCREASE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN RICH AND POOR.THINK AUSTRALIA IT IS HAVING LESS THAN 2 CRORE PEOPLE AND LAND MORE THAN TWICE INDIA.WE HAVE MORE THAN 100 CRORES PEOPLE.IMAGINE IN DIA IF IT HAS ONLY 2 CRORE PEOPLE AND THIS MUCH RESOURSES.
只要我們能控制我們的人口，印度就能像中國或者任何別的國家一樣發展。否則我們就會制造一些一流的富人，或者拉大貧富差距。想想澳大利亞，人口不到兩千萬，土地卻是我們的兩倍。我們有超過十億人。想像一下，如果印度只有兩千萬人，卻擁有和現在一樣的資源。

Re: india can.....
回複：印度能夠……
by redforumer (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 09:49 AM
Neverth say, sometimes, i can even say on many occasions our population is tremendous power what we have...
Only the need on the occasion will power and positive directional approach
千萬別這麼說，有時候，我甚至能說在許多情況下，人口讓我們擁有驚人力量……
只有在需要的情況下，（人口的）力量和積極性才會顯現（不能確定意思對了沒）

Re: india can.....
回複：印度能夠……
by IndianEmpire (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 11:29 PM
Muslims are breeding like virus. Is our political system has the will and gutts to stop this?.
穆斯林就像病毒一樣擴散。我們的政治體系能制止（這種擴散）嗎？


India is better than china
印度比中國好
by Vascoda gama (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 04:03 PM  | Hide replies
Even if we consider in any respect, India is far better than china. That is why China is doing business with our country. How can we ignore that achievements of Chandrayan by our indian scientists?
I came to know from a Korean( working in china and now he is in india and working with my organization) that some villages in China do not have Electricity, medical, transportation fascilities. At least our country is emerging in this respect.
It is known and agreed that our political leaders are Ideal and Idols of corruption, but there are many good people in this country working for the welfare.
India has more than 4000 years of civilization. one of the major religion in china roots to Indian origin. Huent sang, a chinese ambassador praised India as the best nation in his manuscripts.
Problems are everywhere(including USA, china etc). Poverty is also everywhere. It is only time can cure these problems. Wait and watch.
就算我們從任何一個方面來考慮，印度也遠遠好過中國。這就是為什麼中國在和我們做生意的原因。我們怎麼能忽視印度科學家成功得到的月球首航的成就？
是一個韓國人告訴我的（以前在中國工作現在在印度和我就職於同一個組織），中國的有些村莊沒有電、沒有醫院、沒有交通設施。至少我們國家正在努力加緊這方面的建設。
眾所周知我們的政府官員最擅長的就是腐敗受賄，但我們國家還是有很多好人為了福利事業而工作。
印度擁有超過4000年的文明。中國的主流宗教之一就源於印度。玄奘，一位中國的使者就在他的手稿中贊揚印度是最好的國度。
哪里都有問題（包括美國、中國等等）。哪里也都有貧困。只有時間能解決問題，等著瞧吧。

Re: India is better than china
回複：印度比中國好
by om shanti (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 04:17 PM
Fact:
1.China is India's largest trading partner...India is China's 15th largest trading partner.
2.Korean:He must be a South Korean,telling to please Indian.South Koreans pass such comments because China supports North Korea.
3.China is equally old like India in civilization.
4.Budhism has become the major religion of China however,day by day,Xtian and Muslim conversion is increasing in India.
5.Chinese are hardworking and they have national pride.We are super intelligent and divided on religion,region,caste categories.
6.We throw waste to roads,making our country a slum,China is planting flowers everywhere and every one throws wastes inside dustbin only.
7.There is rrape,mmolestation,ddowry death,honour killing in India,and in China,they give capital punishment for such crimes.
8.Chinese employees get 45% insurance contribution from employer and Indian employees get 12% Providend fund contribution from employer.
9.Chinese employees get house loan,car loan at 2-4% interest rate for period extending from 10-25 years.Indians get such loans in compound interest not les than 10-15%
10.There is social security for senior citizens in China and there are government organizations to take care of.The new generation respects the old generation.In India we turn our faces from old parents.
11.China has world class road,airports,and we are having traffic jams in small small towns.
12.New Delhi is equivalent to a small town in China ...
事實：
1．中國是印度的第一大貿易夥伴，印度是中國的第15大貿易夥伴
2．韓國人：他一定是南韓人，拜托你，韓國人會做出這樣的評價 因為中國支持朝鮮。
3. 中國有和印度一樣古老的文明。
4．佛教的確成為中國的主流宗教，然而，基督教和穆斯林也漸漸在印度流傳開來。
5．中國人很勤奮，也有民族自豪感，我們卻被宗教、地域和種姓區分開來。
6． 我們亂丟垃圾，令我們的國家變成一個貧民窟，中國則到處種花，而且每個人只會把垃圾扔進垃圾桶（……大家以後千萬要註意了）
7． 印度有綁架、騷擾（婦女）、因為嫁妝（太少）而導致的（婦女）死亡、榮譽處決，而中國對這些犯罪都予以重刑。  （   嫁妝致死 ；印度人嫁女兒如果嫁妝少了，女兒在夫家會遭人淩虐，有的媳婦被迫自殺。榮譽處決 ；印度首都新德里的貧民區2010年6月發現一對年輕男女的屍體，警方調查發現，由於這對男女的戀情遭女方家人反對，為了維護家族榮譽，賽妮的叔叔等親人決定對二人實施“榮譽處決”(honour killing)。二人被女方親屬捆綁起來，遭殘忍虐待後被電擊致死。19歲的阿莎·賽妮和21歲的約格什·庫馬爾的屍體顯示，二人腿、胳膊均被束縛，手、腳均有被電擊的痕跡。原文鏈接：http://news.cn.yahoo.com/newspic/news/8112/6/ ）
8．中國人可以從雇主那里拿到45%的保險本金，印度人只能從雇主處獲得12%的員工福利備用基金。
9．中國人貸款買房，貸款買車，只需在10~25年的還款期內支付2~4%的利息。印度人想要那樣貸款，我們支付的複利不會低於10~15%。
10．中國的城鎮居民老了以後有政府來為他們提供社保，年輕人也尊重老一輩。而在印度，我們甚至不願見自己年邁的父母。
11． 中國有世界級的公路、機場，而我們只有擁堵和集市。
12． 新德里就等同於中國的一個鎮…

Re: Re: India is better than china
回複：回複：印度比中國好 （他在接著寫……）
by om shanti (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 04:21 PM
11.Literacy rate of China is 91% and India is 65 %
12.Even the poorest in China can go to sauna/Jacuzzi as the rates are very low,but in India it is only a dream for the rich people.
13.In China,women are respected and given equal opportunity in job,but in India women are exploited and misbehaved..this is our civilization..
Being in China for 6 years,I have pointed out some aspects,now you do more research,if you want to know,please feel free to contact...
11． 中國的識字率達到91%，而印度只有65%
12． 中國即使是最窮的人也能享受桑拿和按摩浴缸，因為價格很低，但在印度，這是富人才能有的美夢
13． 在中國，女性受到尊敬並享有同等的工作機會，但在印度，女性則被剝削和冒犯。。這就是我們的文化。。
待在中國6年，我指出了某些方面，現在你多做些研究吧，如果你想要知道（更多），歡迎聯絡。。。

Re: India is better than china
回複：印度比中國好
by Prem Mohan (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 04:06 PM
You can bury your head in the sand like an ostrich. That will not make India a competitor with China. Every country has poverty, but no country has poverty on the scale of India. Large parts of our country are poorer than sub-Saharan Africa.
There is not a single Indian city that is presentable. Before we think of competing with China, we will have to learn to sweep our streets.
你可以繼續鴕鳥，但這不能使印度成為中國的競爭對手。每個國家都有貧困，但沒有國家有像印度這樣的貧困規模。我們國家的很多地區比撒哈拉以南非洲還要窮。
印度沒有一個可以見人的城市。在我們思考如何與中國競爭之前，我們必須學會打掃街道。


No Way
不可能
by Vivek (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 03:56 PM  | Hide replies
China knows where it is going, it has a vision, the leadership is committed to development. The infrastructure is developed a a very fast pace, which is what a country needs to grow, Ports, electricity, quality housing, railways, roads, mass transport. Where is india in all these sectors. The electricity grid is collapsing with poor supply and power theft,no indian port appears in list of top 25 by traffic,railways run at the same speed as they have done 30 years ago and no expansion of track, safety is a recent concern reappering.
China has a population policy in place, attempts are made to deal with corruption with a firm hand, a case in point is the death sentence awarded to the former vice mayor of Beijing for bribery charges in 2008 olympic games, what about our CWG corruption, can any one lay hand on these people.
Let us try to compete with countries which are realistic targets. China is way way beyond our reach.
中國知道該往哪走，他有遠見，領導階層致力於發展?；A設施建設得非?？?，這正是一個國家該發展的，港口、電力、高質量的房屋、公路、大宗運輸。在印度我們只有這些部門。電力網絡因為缺乏能源和偷盜而行將就木。印度沒有一個港口的吞吐量排進世界前25位，我們火車的速度是他們在30年前的，而且也沒有要擴建鐵路的計劃。安全問題最近才開始有人關心。
中國有適當的人口政策，努力以堅定的手腕來對付腐敗，一例有力的案件就是在08奧運年，前北京副市長因為受賄而被執行死刑?？晌覀兊挠⒙摪钸\動會  （ 謝  謝無名的指正） 腐敗呢？誰管得了他們？

我們找些別的國家來比較吧，這樣實際一些。中國遠非我們能力之所及。

Re: No Way
回複：不可能
by Prem Mohan (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 03:59 PM
We can try to compete with ) Pakistan and Bangladesh. Even Sri Lanka is beyond our reach
我們可以去和巴基斯坦和孟加拉競爭，就算是和斯里蘭卡我們也不行。

Re: Re: No Way
回複：回複：不可能
by Vinod Rasal (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 04:24 PM
hahaha. good one.
but let us all be practical. China earns 75% from manufacturing sector. India is no where close to that figure. in terms of defense China is much ahead of U.S. as well. China has got 120 nuclear war ships with 12 holes which can fire missile & India has got 2 nuclear warships whch has got 2 holes to fire missiles.
In terms of service industry now most of the BPOs are entering china & chinese government is spending moolah to teach them english so that they can compete. Well am not degrading India in any way. we have the fire power but we lack determination Our government policies doesn't compliment our growth strategy.
let us all hope for a better India
哈哈，不錯不錯。
我們還是切實一點。中國用制造業獲得了75%的收入，印度沒有一個地方有接近這個的數據。在防禦能力方面，中國比美國還強。中國有120艘核動力軍艦，每艘有12個導彈發射器，而印度只有2艘，每艘有2個導彈發射器。
在服務業方面，現在大多數外包交給了中國和中國人
政府出錢讓他們學習英語，便於競爭。我絕對不是要滅我們自己的威風。我們有那個能力卻沒有那個決心，我們的政策不是能夠讓我們發展的戰略。
讓我們來祝福印度變好吧。

Re: No Way
回複：不可能
by Ajay Lamba (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 04:23 PM
INDIA IS VERY BEHIND CHINA BUT IF THE PEOPLE OF INDIA DECIDE WITH FULL DEDICATION ,THEY CAN ACHEIVE ANYTHING.WE HAVE TO TAKE UP POSITIVE CHANGES WITH A FIRM STAND.OUR LEGAL SYSTEM SHOULDBE OVERHAULED,CORRUPTON SHOULD BE CHECKED,& EMPHASIS SHOULD BE LAYED ON DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COUNTRY.MY CHEERS TO MR. A K SORI, ADDITIONAL DISTRICT & SESSIONS JUDGE WHO SETTLED 148 CASES IN A SINGLE DAY.HE SHOULD BE AWARDED & OTHER JUDGES IN INDIA SHOULD GET INSPIRATION FROM HIS ACHEIVEMENT & SHOULD FOLLOW HIM.AJAY KUMAR LAMBA
印度遠遠落後於中國，但如果印度人民有奉獻的決心，任何事都能成功。我們必須嚴厲的進行政治改革，我們的法制需要大修，腐敗應該被審查，我們的重心應該擺在國家的發展上。我為A K SORI先生喝彩，他在一天的時間內審判了哈里亞納邦148個地方和會議的案件，他該獲獎，印度別的法官應該從他的成就上獲得鼓舞並且學習他。AJAY KUMAR LAMBA（估計是那位法官的名字   ）   。


1995
1995
by Dev (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 03:53 PM  | Hide replies
in 1995 ppl said ..oh wow ,we are going to be like USAy. some in 2000..now its `2010 and most of the indian cities have hardly changed!! look like big TOIlets..!
yes computer,mobiles,cable,internet has come..there are some expensive buildings but the rest..looks the SAME.
so I say, aim for quality rathr than quantity.
let us aim for earliest possible day when ppl will say..YES, INDIA LOOKS GOOD !!!
ofcourse poverty eradication is our first priority but second should be aesthetics.
  1995年的時候，說我們在2000年會變得像美國一樣?！，F在都2010年了，大多數印度城市幾乎沒有改變！！ 就好像一個個巨型的廁所一樣。。！
  沒錯，我們有了電腦、手機、電纜、網絡。。和一些造價高昂的建築，但是別的…還是那樣。
所以我說，要求質量而非數量。
我們的目標該是盡快有一天大家說：“嗯！印度看上去不錯！??！”
當然，我們教育的首要任務是改變貧困，第二就該是審美。

Re: 1995
回複：1995
by Prem Mohan (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 04:00 PM
Don't be cynical. As Dr Manmohan Singh has pointed out several times, Mumbai will soon overtake Shanghai.
不要冷嘲熱諷。就像辛格總理幾次指出的那樣，孟買很快就會超越上海。



Today's Joke
今天的玩笑
by Amit Kohli (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 03:51 PM  | Hide replies
Its today's joke......... But quite old
今天的玩笑…………但是很老了



by raman govindan (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 01:12 PM  | Hide replies
when george fernandes was the defense minister he told that China was the no. 1 enemy of India. he did not realise the damage done to his own country by such utterances.
the media has taken lead in following him and such polemicist.. it is better that media shuts it's mouth
當費爾南德斯還是國防部長的時候，他說中國是印度的頭號敵人。
他沒有意識到這種說話方式對他的祖國造成了多大的損害。
媒體追隨他並且為他辯護。。媒體最好讓他閉嘴才是

by prahladsingh (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 03:44 PM
george fernades is truly say that china is the no 1 enemy ofindia
費爾南德斯真的說過中國是頭號敵人嗎？

by nishant patil (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 03:58 PM
TGATS TRUE....FACT IS FACT
這是真的……事實就是事實

by kancheepuram narasimhan (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 03:39 PM
george fernandes is the first enemy of India without doubt.
毫無疑問，費爾南德斯就是印度的頭號敵人

by Ram Sharma (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 03:46 PM
???
？？？


why compare india with china
為什麼要拿印度和中國比較

by biswanath roy (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 10:17 AM  | Hide replies
it is not understood why we are comparing india with china. india is a country with over 60 million english speaking people, making us the second only to usa. thus india should target to compete with usa,uk,canada,australia,new zealand & south africa-all english speaking countries. i am surprised why rediff com every week comes out with an article india vs china, it is denigrating for india to be compared with china which is a third world country.
我不明白為什麼我們老愛拿印度跟中國比較。印度有超過6千萬說英語的人，只比美國少。我們的目標該是跟美國、加拿大、澳大利亞、新西蘭和南非比較，都是說英語的國家。我很吃驚為什麼rediff.com每周都會出篇文章把印度跟中國相提並論，跟中國這個第三世界國家擺在一起是對印度的玷汙。

Re: why compare india with china
回複：為什麼要拿印度和中國比較
by C P (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 10:30 AM
I don't think india should even compare with Africa because there more indian like you bs living in poverty than africa. I believe africa have more toilet than india. So please don't even think of comparing to china or western countries.
我甚至不認為印度可以和非洲比較，因為有很多像你一樣滿口胡話的印度人生活在比非洲更嚴重的貧困里。我相信非洲的廁所比印度的要多。所以拜托想都別想跟中國或者西方國家比較。

Re: why compare india with china
回複：為什麼要拿印度和中國比較
by Ram Sharma (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 03:48 PM
There is no comparison betn China & India. The former has leap frogged due to flg reasons:
During Mao's time they improved their infrastructure, defence (they became a nuclear power in 1964), literacy (100%), one language Mandarin and script after abolishing many languages & script (so everyone there is part of the growth, unlike us, where anyone not knowing good Engl is a second class citizen) etc. From 1979 they opened their economy and also established one child norm (we don't hv any norm) curbing population growth.
Now China is second economic world power after US. Their steel production is 10 times ours. Their trains r much faster than ours. They hang corrupt people. Here corrupt people r our rulers. They crush Islamic terrorism, we even try to save someone involved in bombing Parliament for getting votes.
中國跟印度的確沒有可比性，因為他們早就超越我們了，原因如下：
在毛澤東時代他們就改善了他們的基礎設施和國防（他們在1964年成為核武國家，識字率（100%），統一說普通話、寫簡體字（所以他們每個人都能成為增長的一部分，不像我們，不會講英語就是二等公民）等等。1979年他們開始改革開放並且實施計劃生育來限制人口（我們沒有任何政策）。
現在中國是世界第二大經濟體，僅次於美國。他們的鋼產量是我們的十倍。他們的火車比我們快得多。他們絞死貪汙的人。在我們這里，貪汙者就是統治者。他們粉碎了伊斯蘭恐怖主義，我們卻為了選票試圖解救涉嫌炸掉國會的人。


No
不能
by AKSHAY JAIN (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 10:16 AM  | Hide replies
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

by Ajit Birdi (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 04:13 AM  | Hide replies
YES,In only one race that is of POPULATION.
INDIA WILL BE WORLD LEADER.
能，如果只是比人口的話。
印度會是世界領袖。